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one secret at a time prepare yourself as

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we explore the shadow worlds of

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suppressed history secret knowledge

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forbidden religion and shine a light on

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welcome to night vision radio good

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evening everybody

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I'm Renee Barnett your host thank you so

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much for joining us tonight we have a

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wonderful show planned I want to get

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right into it

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we have best-selling author Tim Wallace

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Murphy my goodness he's a prolific

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author he's written lots of books hidden

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wisdom wrecks dais Tim helped me out

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here I think I have a list but I dropped

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it on the floor right next to me oh

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there's not me about 14 of them I hope

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that's right yes absolutely

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anyway Tim it's so wonderful to be

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talking to you again even though it is

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only by a Skype hoping to see you in

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September when I'm back in France as as

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you are and I want to thank you so much

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for getting up at this hour it's 4:30

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truly appreciate it and I apologize for

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the for the ungodly hour but any out Tim

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I was thinking about tonight's show and

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of course you know I want you to talk

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about whatever you want to talk about

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but I just started thinking where am I

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going to begin with this nice third

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thing and well maybe at the beginning

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you know not everyone is as

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knowledgeable about the Knights Templar

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as you are it's certainly not very many

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people I'm certainly not and I know a

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lot of people are just now getting sort

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of in tune with that history and I was

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wondering you know when we talk about

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the origins of the Knights Templar we we

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think of the idea that they were set up

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to protect pilgrims on the route to

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Jerusalem but it seems like there might

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be some discrepancy about you know maybe

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they were at least loosely organized

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before that and do you believe that that

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was the real reason or can you kind of

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give us a little information about how

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they got started yeah well I will do

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insofar as it's known

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first of all the normal date that's

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given for the start of the Knights

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Templar is 1118 or 1119 but in actual

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fact there are documentary references to

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them dating back as early as 1095 there

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was a family conspiracy going on this

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didn't arise on the spur of the moment

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it had been long planned and there were

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a group of families in power in Europe

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called Rix days

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now they claimed descent from the high

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priesthood of the Temple of Jerusalem

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only married marrying within a very

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small restricted group they're actually

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traceable in the archives of Europe and

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power insofar as we can establish very

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early arm by the first Holy Roman

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Emperor a man called Charlemagne it was

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the first leading person in Europe who

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Jesus I bear in mind that when he was

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there was no internet so he needed

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people he could trust so he appointed

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positions of power particularly in

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regions that were vulnerable as well as

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community down here as a sort of buffer

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other members of the families were in

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positions of power in an area called

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champagne which is much further north

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original eight or nine founding members

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country of champagne and they all had

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allegiance to count you of champagne

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state in the Holy Land but there are

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the Holy Land and they were an

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incredibly brave and courageous order

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their well europe-wide organization they

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own lands and properties from as far

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the West right across Europe to the Holy

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to maintain the Templar Army in the Holy

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Land it was the first standing army in

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Europe since the fall of the Roman

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Empire and to maintain it they created a

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commercial network which was a precursor

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they were a truly remarkable group of

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people you know when we talk about the

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Knights Templar how do they relate you

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time of the Inquisition between the

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Templars and the church or don't think

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operating within the church and for the

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vast majority of its members that would

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have been true but the inner rooming

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core which were always drawn from the

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had a totally different belief system

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they did not believe that Jesus came to

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redeem us from sin as some sort of

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Icarus human sacrifice at Golgotha they

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believed that he came to reveal a

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pathway of spirituality a pathway of

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spirituality which ultimately would

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unite everybody on the planet with one

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belief system a system of universal

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brotherhood founded on the principles of

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truth and justice so in that sense they

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were indeed heretical they did not

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subscribe to the mainstream Christian

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beliefs that's that same term you know

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this uniting the world uniting mankind

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through spirituality under the same

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belief you hear that today when we we

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hear about secret societies and their

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possible raise on debt and it seems like

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it's this part of what we hear called

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the underground stream of knowledge

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that's being passed down by these

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families that you were talking about

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this close circle of people who

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intermarried and then you know started

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much so they had to do it in secret

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discovered it they would have been

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Inquisition did not exist at the time

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grew in strength and power and was in

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fact used to torture the Templars for

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the thirty Friday the 13th of October

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thirteen hundred and seven but the

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Templars as an order were never actually

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convicted of any crime individual

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their confessions but the order was

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never actually convicted and it was

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that it had fallen into disrepute now

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the link between the belief system of

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the Knights Templar uncertain other

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members of the hidden streams and

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spirituality unlace of Freemasonry is an

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indirect link the Templars were

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suppressed in 1314 Freemasonry didn't

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linkage was between the founding

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families the same group of families who

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comes and the linkage is very very

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strong there is a very very easily

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United States so these families that

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that set up these two linked up

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organizations that you know at different

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stages of time is there something

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particular I know you've done a lot of

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work in research and writing about these

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families is there something that you

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find particularly on you

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usual or unique about these families

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other than the fact that they're just

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keeping close keeping everything kind of

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close to the family close to the chest

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and that's why they intermarry is there

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any other reason is there something

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special about these people I know that

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you've spent time a lot of time with

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with Prince Michael of Albany and you

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know it's is there something that is

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unusual about these people do they have

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some sort of special qualities yes there

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is forget for the moment individuals

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like Michael the families believe that

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they were handing down the true

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teachings of Jesus and well ours would

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lead they would appear to be practicing

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the prevailing religion of the time and

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Christianity if they were in the Middle

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practicing Islam and some of them were

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at home they would pass on the secret

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teachings from father to child and down

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through the ages and it's this process

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of teaching that becomes the the link if

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you look at the Knights Templar and you

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look at modern-day Freemasonry you will

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find that the name Jesus is very rarely

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mentioned the - thanks John are the

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people who get the venerations and John

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the Baptist of course they believe was

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the teacher of Jesus and Jesus is star

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pupils and John the Divine it's the

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process of transmission of the teaching

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that is being celebrated here now when I

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wrote Rex tears which was published back

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in 2000 seems an awfully long time ago

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now oh my gosh sure a few weeks

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afterwards I got a letter on very

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impressive headed note paper over the

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coat of arms on the top and the less it

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was very brief and it worried me

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it's an Adele author he was

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have consulted me before you rushed so

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precipitously into print we must talk

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better yet mate sorry I ran this

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gentleman ah explained who I was and

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explained that we'd been given an

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incomplete story and we tried to fill in

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the gaps as we'd mentioned in the book

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from our knowledge of medieval history

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and then I post the question I said

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where did we get it wrong oh my god a

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very surprising answer he said oh you

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rest well you bet your ass I wanted the

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rest so we arranged Mead and he invited

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myself am I then collaboration Marilyn

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Hopkins to his home for a weekend and

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said please arrive on Friday before dusk

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now that at that point the warning bells

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in my head started to get up and go off

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because my mother was Jewish and dusk on

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a Friday is the beginning of Shabbat

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sure so we duly arrived at the appointed

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time and as we were walking through the

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dining room to take our bags up to the

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bedrooms and we noticed the table was

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laid for dinner and on the mantelshelf

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there was a menorah

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there was show bread ready at the table

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and there was a yarmulke by each of the

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gentleman's plates it was a seder dinner

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yeah and the prayers were said in Hebrew

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and an Aramaic they were practicing the

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same tradition rod they had been taught

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for over 2,000 years and that's what

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it's all about is passing down spiritual

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teaching it was not about earthly power

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and prestige it was about teaching the

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principles of brotherhood and unity well

301
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you know I recall you saying a few

302
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moments ago that you know some of the

303
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Templars were practicing Chris

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and some were practicing Muslims and but

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yet they also believed practicing

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Muslims in the templars there were

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practicing Muslims amongst the REC

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stairs families who lived in the Middle

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East oh thank you for that correction I

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see and but yet the the belief system

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that was being handed down that they

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were all practicing sort of transcended

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those those belief systems is that right

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oh yes very much so that that was the

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scent of the central core and it is as

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most of what we know about the Knights

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Templar I at least sort of commensurate

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with the times we'll is that from

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William of Tyre and then later from

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Inquisition records which of course can

321
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be sort of read backwards to try to

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figure out what they really said I guess

323
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well I personally do not put much stress

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on William of Tyre as whether he was he

325
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was writing some 70 years after the

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events he purports to describe and he

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was no great fan of the templates there

328
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are much earlier and much better

329
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references in the records I though of

330
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shark amongst others and they they are

331
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much more important than they usually

332
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ignored by modern historians for some

333
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peculiar reason there's an unfortunate

334
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trend amongst historians of the medieval

335
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era that they tend to copy the errors

336
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that their predecessors have written

337
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into the record or they focus on the

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wrong aspects and things you'll have to

339
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look at the full picture and going back

340
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to original documentary records as far

341
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as possible not the work of your own

342
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predecessors yes well I guess so I guess

343
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one would really need to go back to you

344
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know at least in a translation you know

345
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one hand down everything's been

346
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translated down and diluted so much that

347
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we don't really know

348
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we're getting especially those of us who

349
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just read and speak English well let's

350
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let's give a little bit of guidance here

351
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to anybody who's doing their own

352
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research which I hope people are we

353
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first of all there is no such thing as

354
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an unbiased document anywhere in the

355
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world everything that is written down

356
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particularly in the medieval times and

357
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earlier was written down for a purpose

358
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and that purpose was to give somebody an

359
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advantage to give them an age so there's

360
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always bias that you've got to allow for

361
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and secondly if you want to get to grips

362
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with these things you don't rely on

363
00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:29,679
translations you have to learn the

364
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language concern which is usually Latin

365
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if you're relying on translation there

366
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is a bigger margin for error so one has

367
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to learn the languages of of the time

368
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and most of church records and most

369
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official records up to about the 13th or

370
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14th century are Latin summer in Norman

371
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French and early French and you have to

372
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learn those as well you know there's a

373
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lot more to this if you're just relying

374
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on translation you're relying on second

375
00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:05,860
third or fourth hand information it's

376
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not good enough gosh I can't imagine

377
00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:12,370
myself at my age sitting down to learn

378
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Latin at this stage of the game but I

379
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might I might rely on more scholarly

380
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people like yourself I'm not a scholar

381
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I'm just an elderly pilgrim love yes

382
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well now you've moved yourself from the

383
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east coast of France or the eastern part

384
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of France over to the southwestern side

385
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in the longer dock

386
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and I see on your Facebook page it says

387
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s Peraza yeah that's it

388
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yeah and so now now you've been there

389
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:54,010
what about a year of course let me I

390
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know you've gone there many many times

391
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,010
because I've been there I've been

392
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working time here on and off something

393
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like 35 years

394
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yes but they were intermittent visits

395
00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:07,290
I've been living down here now for about

396
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1516 months my wife and I said my wife

397
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Cindy and myself came down here within a

398
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couple of weeks of getting married well

399
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a few days of getting married and we've

400
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been here ever since and it's it's a

401
00:21:30,299 --> 00:21:27,280
wonderful place why did you why did you

402
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:30,309
move there was a lot there's been a

403
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:32,890
cultural crossroads since the beginning

404
00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:35,710
of time we've had them all through here

405
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:37,960
the Phoenicians the Greeks the Romans

406
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the Muslims are the Visigoths the

407
00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:44,860
Cathars the night this was the epicenter

408
00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:46,660
of the Knights Templar and the Knights

409
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Hospitaller

410
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and it's still a cultural crossroads and

411
00:21:57,810 --> 00:21:54,760
it was the border between Christian

412
00:22:00,090 --> 00:21:57,820
Europe and Muslim Spain and Spain is

413
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:00,100
where it all happened that's where the

414
00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:02,410
foundations of European culture were

415
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:05,980
laid not true Christian scholarship but

416
00:22:10,890 --> 00:22:09,010
through Muslim scholarship at a time

417
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:10,900
when Charlemagne couldn't sign his name

418
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:13,690
there was a university in Cordoba which

419
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:16,570
drew its intake from Christian Muslim

420
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:20,460
and Jewish schools throughout Spain

421
00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:24,400
Islam was the most tolerant regime far

422
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:27,220
more so than Christianity and that's

423
00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:30,250
where the scholarship was in Cordoba

424
00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:33,429
they published 20 odd thousand books

425
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:37,960
each year they had the biggest second

426
00:22:44,370 --> 00:22:40,510
biggest library in the world and it was

427
00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:44,380
the cultural hub of the western part of

428
00:22:51,060 --> 00:22:48,100
the Empire of Islam and nothing was

429
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:51,070
happening in Europe Christianity was

430
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:52,750
based on the assumption that everybody

431
00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:00,570
whereas in Islam they didn't waste time

432
00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:02,980
on theology they said the study of God

433
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:06,220
is a waste of time it's insanity

434
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:10,210
XANA if you wanted to know about God you

435
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:12,730
had to study his works in nature so they

436
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:14,580
studied science they studied as

437
00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:17,970
normally they studied medicine Europe's

438
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:20,190
first medical school which was founded

439
00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:22,230
not very far from here in Montpellier

440
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:25,230
was founded in the 13th century by

441
00:23:30,860 --> 00:23:27,539
Jewish doctors who trained in Muslim

442
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,870
Spain and North Africa all our science

443
00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:33,179
modern science is based on Muslim

444
00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:36,870
scholarship and yet we treat these

445
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:39,470
people so appalling they badly

446
00:23:45,620 --> 00:23:42,840
well yes everybody paints everyone with

447
00:23:49,129 --> 00:23:45,630
the same brush unfortunately in that

448
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:49,139
again it's a matter of ignorance and I

449
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:50,850
know that you've done much work in this

450
00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:54,600
area much research into Islam and into

451
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:57,510
that whole culture and in fact have

452
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:01,200
written a book called what is what Islam

453
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,000
has done for us is that correct that's

454
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:05,760
correct yeah yeah and I know that you

455
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:08,010
know probably people are wondering what

456
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:11,330
the heck are you writing a book about

457
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:15,240
Islam for at a time when everyone's so

458
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:19,080
up in arms about everything well I had

459
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:25,710
to write it straight I agree and I think

460
00:24:31,399 --> 00:24:29,190
it it's a great book and everybody be on

461
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:31,409
a ought to take a look and educate

462
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:34,260
yourselves and and then you know form

463
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:38,159
your opinions based on education my

464
00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:40,850
mother's back people were Jewish yes

465
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:43,470
technically I'm a Jew that's right

466
00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:45,570
because your mind quite unquiet progress

467
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,019
that and rightly so but the Jewish

468
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:51,360
people would not have survived if it was

469
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,210
not for the tolerance of Islam from the

470
00:25:04,129 --> 00:24:56,820
time of the Prophet Muhammad until the

471
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:04,139
early 1900s 85% of the Jewish people in

472
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,330
the world lived under the tolerant rule

473
00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:08,460
of Islam and they did so through choice

474
00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:10,590
because there were far better treated

475
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:13,220
there than they were in Christian Europe

476
00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:17,159
people forget this and the obscenity of

477
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:19,470
what's happening in Israel at the moment

478
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:22,610
makes me feel sick

479
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:25,500
but that's a personal view and that's

480
00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:27,220
political but it's it's

481
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:32,500
that's true I can't stand racism no

482
00:25:37,529 --> 00:25:34,809
presh like it either whether it's based

483
00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:37,539
on color creed or anything else we're

484
00:25:43,169 --> 00:25:40,270
all children of the same Gardens to

485
00:25:45,390 --> 00:25:43,179
quote Martin Luther King we have learnt

486
00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:45,400
to fly in the air like birds we have yet

487
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:46,780
to learn to walk on the earth like

488
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:51,630
brothers it's about time we bloody did

489
00:25:59,760 --> 00:25:56,799
well then I agree with that 100% but so

490
00:26:04,610 --> 00:25:59,770
you now you find yourself in the longbow

491
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:04,620
duck and you know there's a lot of

492
00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:07,090
people you know you said it's it's a

493
00:26:11,159 --> 00:26:09,429
crossroads it's a pathway you know for

494
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,169
all these different groups all these

495
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:12,640
different philosophies all this

496
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:15,690
different these different thoughts and

497
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:20,559
why is that why that area it's

498
00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:21,490
absolutely true

499
00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:25,720
well why I'm for simple geographical

500
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:28,929
reasons it was because of the

501
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:31,150
mountainous barriers between France and

502
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:33,400
Spain it was easier to travel along the

503
00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:40,500
coastal roads because of a game

504
00:26:48,419 --> 00:26:45,340
brigandage and robber barons along the

505
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:48,429
route on man it was easier to travel by

506
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:53,159
sea so everything happened along here

507
00:26:59,549 --> 00:26:56,230
the Phoenicians who really thought found

508
00:27:01,919 --> 00:26:59,559
in European trade as we begin to know it

509
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:01,929
and the ancient Egyptians the Romans

510
00:27:06,779 --> 00:27:04,210
they all use the sea as a means of

511
00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:06,789
transport it was easier than traveling

512
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:10,179
over em so the coastal areas become

513
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,370
important and the area here first of all

514
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:18,880
it's stunningly beautiful it's a series

515
00:27:23,549 --> 00:27:21,400
of mountains and hills each valley is

516
00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:23,559
different each town and village has its

517
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:26,470
own traditions and the people have

518
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:28,600
developed a culture here which is very

519
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:31,450
warm and very welcoming and I love the

520
00:27:37,409 --> 00:27:33,940
place I'm I would not willingly live

521
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:37,419
anywhere else I love it too I mean I I

522
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:40,090
keep going back again and again and

523
00:27:45,780 --> 00:27:40,600
again

524
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:45,790
really excited to get back it just it's

525
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:49,200
a draw it it calls me back every time

526
00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:51,730
well the wonderful thing the wonderful

527
00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:53,620
thing is here it doesn't matter why

528
00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:56,740
people stopped coming they get hooked

529
00:28:02,130 --> 00:27:59,170
yeah I don't know whether it's just the

530
00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:02,140
earth energy whether it's the culture

531
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:05,950
whether it's spirituality or a mixture

532
00:28:11,250 --> 00:28:08,830
of all of them but people tend to stay

533
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:11,260
if they've been here at all for very

534
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:13,690
long I call it the glue pop I say if you

535
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:15,490
stay more than a fortnight you're going

536
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:18,970
to end up living here yeah well you know

537
00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:22,660
we had you know people that have come on

538
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:25,900
our tours and stayed you know or come

539
00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:28,510
back moved there it's it's it's amazing

540
00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:31,000
and I probably I want everyone before

541
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,680
they come that if you you know if you go

542
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:38,200
I'm warning you you will return you will

543
00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:40,450
go back and with that it's time for us

544
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:42,040
to take a break Tim we're talking with

545
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:44,260
Tim Wallace Murphy about the Knights

546
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:46,300
Templar about the longer dock remiz

547
00:29:02,730 --> 00:28:48,730
Chateau mystery and the Holy Grail so

548
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:06,669
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608
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we're talking with author Tim Willis

609
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Murphy we've been talking about the

610
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Knights Templar got into a little bit

611
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about the Longwood up region which

612
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featured so prominently with the

613
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Templars and I know we're going to be

614
00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:01,670
sliding right on into the Holy Grail but

615
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:05,150
before we go there Tim I wanted to ask

616
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:08,720
you something about the the armed Iran

617
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:11,809
of rennes-le-chateau there were I

618
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:15,050
believe there were was it five Templar

619
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preceptories on the hilltops surrounding

620
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:22,550
that area and if I'm correct about that

621
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:24,950
why would there have been such a huge

622
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:27,170
presence do you feel that they were

623
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:31,340
guarding something yes they were but not

624
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:33,950
not in the sense that most people assume

625
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:36,370
which is the sense of buried treasure

626
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:40,520
people always think about loot no they

627
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:42,800
were guarding the border was with Muslim

628
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:45,950
Spain and it's not just the Knights

629
00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:47,750
Templar that were around here the

630
00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:49,220
Knights Pospisil that we're here to

631
00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:55,940
another warrior order and so were the

632
00:34:02,169 --> 00:33:59,510
Cistercians the apostles of the frontier

633
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:02,179
you will always find where you'll find

634
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:05,330
Knights Templar and establishments

635
00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:07,790
within two or three hours ride there

636
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:09,560
would be a suspension one as well

637
00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:12,200
because in the early days the two orders

638
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,020
were almost indistinguishable one was

639
00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:16,879
the order of Prayer and the other was a

640
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:19,669
warrior order and they were regarded as

641
00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:25,520
two arms of the same body but the

642
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:29,300
regular chateaux thing that's one of the

643
00:34:34,330 --> 00:34:31,310
reasons a lot of people come here in the

644
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:34,340
first place and I can still remember the

645
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:36,409
excitement I felt when I watch the

646
00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:40,129
television back in 1971 and I saw this

647
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:43,820
wonderful man tiny little diminutive

648
00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:45,820
bearded figure called Henry Lincoln

649
00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:48,679
tells the story of

650
00:34:55,059 --> 00:34:52,429
this priest bérenger saunière who came

651
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,069
out of poverty in a tiny little hilltop

652
00:35:00,940 --> 00:34:57,200
village and suddenly started spending

653
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,950
millions and he was fascinating and we

654
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:02,960
had to wait five years for another

655
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:05,780
program and then there was an e more

656
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:07,609
interesting one and then three years

657
00:35:13,809 --> 00:35:10,940
later a third and then of course came

658
00:35:16,569 --> 00:35:13,819
the explosive book it was a best-seller

659
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:16,579
at the time it still is called the Holy

660
00:35:23,770 --> 00:35:20,750
Blood and the Holy Grail and was written

661
00:35:26,309 --> 00:35:23,780
by Henry Lincoln Michael Baigent I must

662
00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:26,319
rather strange man called Richard Lee

663
00:35:32,319 --> 00:35:29,390
but the story it told was fascinating

664
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:32,329
most of it was hokum as we later found

665
00:35:40,059 --> 00:35:36,650
out but not all and the two things it

666
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:40,069
did fall for me anyway and for other for

667
00:35:46,299 --> 00:35:43,010
a lot of other people was makers all

668
00:35:47,950 --> 00:35:46,309
realized that it was far off in history

669
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:47,960
and we had been meant to believe in

670
00:35:53,069 --> 00:35:50,210
school there were under currents and

671
00:35:57,549 --> 00:35:53,079
stories that were fascinating and

672
00:36:00,640 --> 00:35:57,559
secondly that the book is probably its

673
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:00,650
most important that this was to

674
00:36:04,809 --> 00:36:02,089
introduce their idea to the

675
00:36:08,170 --> 00:36:04,819
english-speaking world that Jesus had

676
00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:08,180
been married and had children now there

677
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,150
was a lady theologian in America who is

678
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:13,760
now a very good friend of mine who read

679
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:15,530
this and she was horrified

680
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:18,470
and she thought it was blasphemous so

681
00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:22,000
she prayed over it and she received

682
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:25,460
instruction to do the research and write

683
00:36:31,930 --> 00:36:28,910
up what she found a name is Margaret

684
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:31,940
starboard yeah yeah so Herman takes

685
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:35,630
credit the integrity of that woman

686
00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:36,829
shines through

687
00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:39,230
she wrote what she discovered and she

688
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,180
wrote a wonderful book called the lady

689
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:43,760
with the alabaster jar which confirmed

690
00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:46,130
the fact that Jesus was married Mary

691
00:36:52,809 --> 00:36:50,150
Magdalene and they had descendants if

692
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,819
that was the only result that came out

693
00:36:58,809 --> 00:36:55,760
of Henry's book it would be worth it but

694
00:37:00,910 --> 00:36:58,819
Henry's book and his television work has

695
00:37:02,770 --> 00:37:00,920
traded people coming

696
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:02,780
here literally in their tens of

697
00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:05,090
thousands every year and many of them

698
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:09,260
come for the wrong reasons perhaps just

699
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:11,810
out of curiosity or out treasure-seeking

700
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:15,290
but they stay and they come back time

701
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:19,300
and time again for spiritual reasons and

702
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:22,090
spirituality transforms people's lives

703
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:27,110
it's totally different from religion in

704
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,330
religion you're accepting a body of

705
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:32,000
belief and a load of hokum that somebody

706
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:35,150
else's foisted on you and spirituality

707
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:38,300
you experience your own transformation

708
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:40,760
and start to get in contact with the

709
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:42,590
divine in a way that it's almost

710
00:37:53,470 --> 00:37:48,800
indescribable and that's the reality of

711
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:53,480
the Holy Grail well you know you know

712
00:38:01,450 --> 00:37:57,170
that a big fan of and a great friend of

713
00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:01,460
Henry Lincoln and um I was one of those

714
00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:04,040
people that read that book back in 1982

715
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:06,260
Holy Blood Holy Grail as we called it

716
00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:07,850
here in America

717
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:11,060
when it when it was published here and I

718
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:12,890
was one of those people that was kind of

719
00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:16,610
freaked out by it but I was intrigued

720
00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:18,620
and I was excited by it but I was

721
00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:20,500
thinking you know I mean I was raised in

722
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:22,220
southeastern Oklahoma

723
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:24,770
you know this as a Southern Baptist and

724
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:27,110
I'm thinking oh my god I'm going

725
00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:29,570
straight to hell if I'm thinking about

726
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:33,740
this and it was hilarious but I read it

727
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:35,930
I struggle through it it's a hard read

728
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:37,840
you got to admit the book is a

729
00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:41,930
penitential read but it is full of great

730
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:44,630
stuff and you're right Henry is the

731
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:46,970
first one to say now oh it's baloney

732
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:50,240
but there is some really choice stuff I

733
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:54,680
use it still for for reference but also

734
00:39:01,890 --> 00:38:56,930
you know I think you're right it did

735
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,900
sort of start a big big conversation and

736
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:04,640
let's face it the amount of people who

737
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:08,810
are involved in spirituality today who

738
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:11,570
owe their introduction to it to Henry

739
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:14,010
Lincoln it's almost beyond count

740
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:16,020
oh my gosh can you imagine over the

741
00:39:20,570 --> 00:39:18,420
years how that yes this is a fact

742
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:20,580
there's nobody writing in this area

743
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:23,460
including myself who is not traveling on

744
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:25,530
the coattails of Henry Lincoln he's a

745
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:27,750
lovable over while he's younger than me

746
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:32,420
actually by a few months not very much

747
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:37,800
but he has accomplished a hell of a lot

748
00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:40,890
and his totally modest about it and if

749
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:43,080
you attack him about the inaccuracies of

750
00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:45,750
the book he will say with charming

751
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:49,080
honesty we flirted a few hypotheses and

752
00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:51,900
some of them what didn't work out which

753
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:55,950
is honest and that's part of the charm

754
00:40:00,080 --> 00:39:57,810
of the men yeah

755
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:00,090
Henry's nothing if not honest yeah

756
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:03,720
sometimes painfully so well you've got

757
00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:06,690
to be because so many people when it

758
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:08,790
comes to spiritual and religious themes

759
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:10,410
so many people have been peddling

760
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:13,770
[\h__\h] for 2,000 years that somebody's

761
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,710
got to stand up and try and reach for

762
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:19,440
truth and that's what most of us are

763
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,070
trying to do and there's a big

764
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:25,320
difference between spirituality and

765
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:27,960
religion and you mentioned being

766
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:30,090
Southern Baptists there was a friend of

767
00:40:35,570 --> 00:40:33,030
mine there wasn't access to I had a

768
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,580
problem with that and he went to his

769
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,640
teacher and he said I don't want to be

770
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,800
one of these religious freaks and takes

771
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:43,440
the Bible down on Sunday and screws

772
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:45,390
everybody over from Monday to Saturday

773
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:47,820
and then you tell me I've got to follow

774
00:40:52,099 --> 00:40:50,970
a spiritual path let's teach us that

775
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,109
well there's a difference between

776
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:55,680
spirituality and religion and a man

777
00:41:00,920 --> 00:40:57,450
understandably said will tell me what it

778
00:41:03,020 --> 00:41:00,930
is on the teacher very wisely said no

779
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,030
you need to consult somebody outside the

780
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:06,540
order somebody is totally independent do

781
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,420
you know somebody I the teacher said yes

782
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:12,480
his name's father and darling sounds

783
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:14,490
like some goddamn Catholic yeah well he

784
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:17,640
is he's you can't you want me to talk to

785
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:19,859
a Jesuit no that you want your question

786
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:23,310
on sand he's the man so Chuck to his

787
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:25,619
intense surprise find himself in front

788
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:28,140
of this hulking great Irish

789
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:29,940
father what's the difference between

790
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:33,240
spirituality and religion now this is

791
00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:37,050
the on see he got well some to explain

792
00:41:42,350 --> 00:41:38,670
that now I've got to tell you a little

793
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:42,360
story spirituality is symbolized by the

794
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,240
fresh spring water of a spring which

795
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:47,280
arises naturally at the top of the

796
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,310
mountain it represents God's love for

797
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:53,280
all of creation and under the wonderful

798
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:55,170
invention of gravity it trickles down

799
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:57,510
the mountainside and sustains and

800
00:42:02,180 --> 00:41:59,730
strengthens and refreshes everything

801
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:02,190
that touches now religion there's

802
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:04,410
something else again that's the one

803
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:06,930
intention man-made plumbing which will

804
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,850
usually make the water go uphill where

805
00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:11,040
it shouldn't go and well as often is not

806
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:12,990
Whistler pasture ours without the

807
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:15,990
benefit of attempt we've made it always

808
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:18,330
pollutes the water so if you have any

809
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:21,510
doubts go back to the spring and of

810
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:23,130
course this is what people are doing

811
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:25,830
that more and more we've been

812
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:28,170
disillusioned with the consumer society

813
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:30,930
that realized how empty and how cruel it

814
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:34,640
is they're alienated from mainstream

815
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,750
religion because that team should be

816
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:39,140
preaching hatred wrong with them mud and

817
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:42,330
they're flocking to one form or another

818
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:45,330
of spiritual path and it doesn't matter

819
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,550
which one because they're all basically

820
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:50,520
the same they vary a little in the

821
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,670
phraseology depending on the culture but

822
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:56,040
they all try and encourage you to be a

823
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:00,560
little bit about humility to develop the

824
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:04,140
capacity for love and compassion and

825
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:07,070
then above all service to other people

826
00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:11,280
so does it matter if it's the Cabana of

827
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:13,580
the Sufi tradition a 12-step recovery

828
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:17,310
program the Eightfold Path of buddhism

829
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:20,180
them what matters is that you follow it

830
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:25,260
that you become a pilgrim and there was

831
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:27,450
wonderful professor in America called

832
00:43:35,350 --> 00:43:31,710
joseph campbell who sadly no and he did

833
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:35,360
a television program the very perceptive

834
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:37,710
journalist is still around thank god

835
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:39,190
Bill Moyers

836
00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:44,020
and was posed the question to cowboy say

837
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:47,590
well what's the Holy Grail and Campbell

838
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:50,650
responded with another question they

839
00:43:55,830 --> 00:43:52,690
said well why should any medieval knight

840
00:43:59,220 --> 00:43:55,840
set out for a search for a relic however

841
00:44:01,800 --> 00:43:59,230
Holy when according to the belief system

842
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:01,810
at the time if he wanted the miracle all

843
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,150
he had to do was go to communion and he

844
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:06,160
will partake directly of the body and

845
00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:09,300
blood of Jesus he said no he said the

846
00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:12,700
search for the Grail is not as such for

847
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:16,840
a relic it's a coded guide to a search

848
00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:19,960
for enlightenment and then he quoted a

849
00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:22,180
passage from the Gospel of Thomas where

850
00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:25,780
Jesus is reported to have said he who

851
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:28,360
drinks from my mouth I shall become he

852
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:31,360
and he shall become me and that

853
00:44:38,250 --> 00:44:33,700
according to Campbell is the whole point

854
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,260
of the Grail and the Gospel of Thomas

855
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:40,240
you know which of course is part of the

856
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:43,090
so-called Gnostic Oppel Gospels or the

857
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:47,200
NAG Hammadi library I understand that

858
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:49,810
according to biblical scholars I don't

859
00:44:57,090 --> 00:44:53,460
know if but it was a big group of

860
00:44:59,970 --> 00:44:57,100
biblical scholars decided you know what

861
00:45:02,250 --> 00:44:59,980
of all the texts including all the

862
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:02,260
Gospels the canonical Gospels all the

863
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:07,150
Gospels is most likely what Jesus said

864
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:10,630
or would have said or really said and

865
00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:14,230
they were unanimously agreed that it was

866
00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:16,060
the Gospel of Thomas was the most

867
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:19,870
authentic record of what they felt Jesus

868
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:22,270
really said well that's not surprising

869
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:26,350
because Thomas was Jesus's twin didymus

870
00:45:33,090 --> 00:45:30,220
Thomas yes Thomas yeah that's what

871
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,100
determines means and the church tried to

872
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:35,680
devalue him by calling him doubting

873
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:39,490
Thomas sometimes when I hear the term

874
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,270
gospel truth I want to bomb it because

875
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:45,540
it's the biggest set of distortions

876
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:48,700
everFi stood on now the miracle is that

877
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:52,000
if you read it the Gospels carefully

878
00:45:57,870 --> 00:45:55,020
you start to discern the loving

879
00:46:00,540 --> 00:45:57,880
brotherly message that Jesus preached

880
00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:00,550
and it's all about love it's all about

881
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:03,340
compassion and it's all about service to

882
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:08,470
others when I read the thoughts of

883
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:11,170
so-called fundamentalist Christians in

884
00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:13,930
your country who are preaching hatred of

885
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:17,740
gays or hatred of other religions I

886
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:20,380
think Jesus Christ they've got the wrong

887
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:22,060
end of a bloody state they're in the

888
00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:25,990
wrong forest Jesus is all about serving

889
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:29,190
the poor looking after the sick

890
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,440
go therefore to a place that has been

891
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:35,410
reserved for you before old time for you

892
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:37,930
fed me when I was hungry you visited me

893
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:40,810
when I was in prison and when do we do

894
00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:42,460
this for you my lord

895
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:44,440
whenever you did this for the least of

896
00:46:50,670 --> 00:46:46,870
my people you did it for me they do

897
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:50,680
they've lost it and it said incredibly

898
00:47:03,180 --> 00:46:57,850
saying if we're not here to love one

899
00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:03,190
another what are we here for to

900
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:07,060
accumulate goods to say I've got more

901
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,270
money than you have well my car is

902
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,720
bigger than yours

903
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:15,520
will fit in the same size gray when it's

904
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:20,260
finished you know try losing someone you

905
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:23,470
love and you find out what's really

906
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:27,310
important in life thanks that's it you

907
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:30,550
snap to it immediately you know what I

908
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:32,610
thought back over my life which has been

909
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:35,140
very privileged one with it

910
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:38,350
I mean I'm 85 years of age I don't

911
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:42,220
remember the successes either when I was

912
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:44,260
a political animal or when I was

913
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:48,100
starting as a writer I don't remember

914
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:52,810
the failures I remember people other

915
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:54,850
people and what it's all about

916
00:48:02,100 --> 00:47:57,790
I remember the the friendships the

917
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:02,110
laughter the kindness that I've been

918
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:05,060
shown and the good the essential

919
00:48:11,890 --> 00:48:09,080
goodness of most people and this is what

920
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:11,900
we should be focusing on the fact that

921
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:13,700
somebody is a different color or a

922
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:15,320
different religion or a different

923
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:17,150
sexuality doesn't matter

924
00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:19,880
chutney gap we're all children of the

925
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,460
one God well said well I'm wondering I'm

926
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,040
getting a lot of questions from our

927
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:32,720
listeners in the chatroom but I think

928
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:34,610
I'm going to hold those till the last

929
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:36,650
half-hour if that's okay and then don't

930
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:38,330
if you don't mind we'll spend some time

931
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,390
then you could just feel some questions

932
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:43,520
and they're kind of all over the board

933
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:45,830
so we'll just we'll just go with those

934
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:47,900
during the last half hour I just want to

935
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:49,670
let everyone know I'm not ignoring you

936
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:52,250
I'm seeing your questions and when I

937
00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:54,980
start to post questions or pose

938
00:49:01,420 --> 00:48:57,190
questions to Tim if you don't mind

939
00:49:03,580 --> 00:49:01,430
repost your questions at that time just

940
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:03,590
so that I don't miss them if I'm not

941
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:07,850
asking your question repost it anyhow no

942
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:10,700
questions is more important than

943
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:13,400
anything else that's right now the the

944
00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:15,350
you know I was gonna ask you that

945
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:17,300
question what is the Holy Grail and I

946
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:19,630
had a sense that you were going to say

947
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:22,370
what the other what Joseph Campbell's

948
00:49:29,110 --> 00:49:26,810
answer was and it's true I believe that

949
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:29,120
now although you know I had so many

950
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:31,850
questions for so many years was that a

951
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,910
cup that held the blood of Jesus was it

952
00:49:40,450 --> 00:49:37,520
Mary Magdalene the wound that held the

953
00:49:42,850 --> 00:49:40,460
child of Jesus you know was it all these

954
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:42,860
things and or could it be all these

955
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:46,790
things and more well it's rather like

956
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:49,310
the old Latin tank Tommen is caught

957
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:51,230
sentence here there are as many opinions

958
00:49:58,510 --> 00:49:54,890
as there are people and in the initial

959
00:50:01,210 --> 00:49:58,520
instance it doesn't matter because once

960
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,220
you start searching for it even if your

961
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:03,920
perceptions are off beam you will be

962
00:50:11,350 --> 00:50:08,090
drawn into the right way and you say

963
00:50:13,930 --> 00:50:11,360
these ideas and ideals and these

964
00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:13,940
philosophies the beliefs are passed down

965
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:17,780
among these special families now are

966
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,710
they all

967
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:20,960
to see these or are they like every

968
00:50:27,070 --> 00:50:24,230
other family and some people just sort

969
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:27,080
out there's the humans there right

970
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:29,210
mixtures some some people have lost

971
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:31,510
touch with their family traditions

972
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:37,730
others they're very real and you know I

973
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,980
don't know about anybody else but there

974
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:41,680
are some days I followed the path

975
00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:44,330
rigorously and there are others I forget

976
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:51,320
it and is are these families are they

977
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,700
the bloodline of Jesus and Mary

978
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:56,000
Magdalene amongst them there are people

979
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:00,200
of that particular group that suit quote

980
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:02,420
one of them at a conference I organized

981
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:04,310
some years ago they said what's it like

982
00:51:09,820 --> 00:51:06,380
to be a descendant to know you're in

983
00:51:11,859 --> 00:51:09,830
descendants of Jesus when a man looked

984
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:11,869
at the assembled audience and said after

985
00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:14,750
this amount of time 85% of you could

986
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:17,060
probably say you have some of his blood

987
00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:19,780
running in your beds that does it answer

988
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:25,820
what matters is how do you behave yes I

989
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:27,530
ain't on all these people running around

990
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:30,260
taking these DNA tests to prove that

991
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:33,290
they're related to this line or that

992
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:36,410
line and I wondered you know does it

993
00:51:42,250 --> 00:51:40,070
really matter and like you say so I feel

994
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:42,260
rather sorry for people who spend an

995
00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:45,410
awful time and sometimes money proving

996
00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:47,180
their descent from this line or the

997
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:48,349
other because there's always some

998
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:50,390
falster who's prepared to give you

999
00:51:56,490 --> 00:51:53,630
so-called proof for a fee and it

1000
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:56,500
ultimately doesn't matter bloody damned

1001
00:52:02,380 --> 00:51:59,599
it really doesn't I can trace my

1002
00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:02,390
father's family back for 800 years so

1003
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,060
what I can trace my mother's family back

1004
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:07,280
for a thousand odd years or a couple of

1005
00:52:12,339 --> 00:52:09,980
thousand years so what it's how do I

1006
00:52:15,490 --> 00:52:12,349
behave to the people I deal with that's

1007
00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:15,500
what becomes a my kind to the people I

1008
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:18,580
meet on the street do I keep my word

1009
00:52:25,210 --> 00:52:22,490
that's what comes not fuck-buddy

1010
00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:25,220
ancestors that had some of those what

1011
00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:30,500
does yeah it wasn't that sort of you

1012
00:52:35,769 --> 00:52:32,420
know the idea

1013
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:35,779
the Templars you know to give aid and

1014
00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:39,890
comfort to others it was wherever you

1015
00:52:45,730 --> 00:52:42,440
find a valid spiritual path being

1016
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:45,740
practice you will always find primarily

1017
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:48,920
the principle of service now where the

1018
00:52:53,890 --> 00:52:50,569
Templars were established throughout

1019
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:53,900
Europe the local communities rose in

1020
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,599
prosperity they rose in privilege and as

1021
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:02,000
a result for example of guarding the

1022
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:04,700
pilgrimage routes Overland trade became

1023
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:07,010
feasible without robber barons without

1024
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:10,630
tolls and so the accumulation of capital

1025
00:53:18,759 --> 00:53:15,920
started the balance of power started to

1026
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:18,769
shift from the hereditary nobility to

1027
00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:21,230
the newly emerging merchant classes

1028
00:53:28,089 --> 00:53:24,920
everything started to change and it's

1029
00:53:32,099 --> 00:53:28,099
about action it's not about what you

1030
00:53:37,870 --> 00:53:36,490
don't tell me show me you know I mean

1031
00:53:42,359 --> 00:53:37,880
that's the only thing that really makes

1032
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:42,369
sense you know it boils down very simply

1033
00:53:50,799 --> 00:53:45,650
and I don't take a look around the world

1034
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:50,809
today and have a look at it as it really

1035
00:53:59,099 --> 00:53:55,480
is and the district you live in not just

1036
00:54:03,309 --> 00:53:59,109
the wider picture when you tell me

1037
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:03,319
whether we need Brotherhood based on

1038
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:05,569
truth and justice whether we need

1039
00:54:10,329 --> 00:54:07,730
respect for the environment and for the

1040
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:10,339
other inhabitants of this course we

1041
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:12,950
bloody well do because mankind is

1042
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,670
becoming an endangered species the

1043
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,319
greenhouse effect is not a theory to be

1044
00:54:26,799 --> 00:54:20,720
argued a partial refuted by southern

1045
00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:26,809
politicians it's a fate you know if we

1046
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:29,420
don't change our ways we ain't gonna be

1047
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:30,410
here much longer

1048
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:34,880
I mean anyone that's living in the south

1049
00:54:40,359 --> 00:54:37,250
I don't see how they can deny what's

1050
00:54:42,609 --> 00:54:40,369
going on around them with all these you

1051
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:42,619
know climate changes weather changes

1052
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:45,960
severe weather conditions

1053
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:48,839
you know it's it's changed so much over

1054
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,050
the way I regret to say that the

1055
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:54,660
worldwide situation it's not just the

1056
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:57,660
deep south of America people face far

1057
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:00,119
too much reliance on politicians and

1058
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:03,330
priests I remember there was a wonderful

1059
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:05,730
author in England called Quentin crisp

1060
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:07,950
and he was asked at a public show one

1061
00:55:14,359 --> 00:55:11,910
day how to make the world better and he

1062
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:14,369
looked with a look of pity at the

1063
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,680
audience and he said oh so you want the

1064
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:19,440
world to be better do you dear boy well

1065
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:21,450
it's no use waiting for the priests and

1066
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:23,310
the politicians to make it better for

1067
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:26,010
you they've been around for thousands of

1068
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:28,650
years and look at the mess we're in you

1069
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:30,330
want the world to be better you have to

1070
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:33,830
go out there and learn how to be better

1071
00:55:41,780 --> 00:55:35,849
hmm that's the whole point of

1072
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:41,790
spirituality pretty good point and we're

1073
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:44,810
just about at time to take another break

1074
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:48,180
so we will be back in the next half hour

1075
00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:50,490
we are gonna be taking questions from

1076
00:55:55,339 --> 00:55:53,099
our listeners if you're listening and

1077
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,349
you're not in the chatroom join us at

1078
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:57,960
inception radio network calm and closed

1079
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:00,420
your questions or comments to Tim

1080
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:02,609
Wallace burping and we will be right

1081
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:41,570
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1082
00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:44,310
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1083
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1084
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1142
01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:21,970
you're close we are talking tonight with

1143
01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:24,190
author Tim Wallace Murphy we've been

1144
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,470
getting into the Knights Templar into

1145
01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:28,960
the language of region of Southwest

1146
01:00:34,410 --> 01:00:32,380
France and into the Holy Grail a bit and

1147
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:34,420
now we're gonna address some questions

1148
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,550
from our listeners that are coming

1149
01:00:42,450 --> 01:00:39,280
across through the chatroom first one is

1150
01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:42,460
from Neutron he says we're the families

1151
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:44,320
involved in the Templars and then the

1152
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:51,760
Freemasons kabbalists it depends on your

1153
01:01:01,050 --> 01:00:56,290
definition of Kabbalah the Kabbalah or

1154
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:01,060
tradition is based on oral traditions

1155
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:03,420
that go back to the time of the exodus

1156
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:07,510
they took written form in this part of

1157
01:01:11,970 --> 01:01:08,620
the world oddly enough

1158
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:11,980
here in Spain and in northern Italy

1159
01:01:19,230 --> 01:01:14,130
during the 12th the 11th and 12th

1160
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:19,240
century and them may well be an overlap

1161
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:24,130
here between the formal Kabbalah as it

1162
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:28,870
took form in the Safari sohe and in the

1163
01:01:34,530 --> 01:01:31,210
family traditions because the families

1164
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:34,540
were descended from the 24 mama dot the

1165
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,300
hereditary high priesthood so there will

1166
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:40,240
inevitably be a degree of overlap but to

1167
01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:43,990
what degree that is I'll be blunt I

1168
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,580
don't know but it's certainly the you're

1169
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:52,000
looking at shared Hebraic spirituality

1170
01:02:02,400 --> 01:01:55,260
but there were several spiritual

1171
01:02:06,570 --> 01:02:02,410
pathways at the time prior to the fall

1172
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:06,580
of Jerusalem so we're guesswork guessing

1173
01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:08,470
and fumbling our way get to a certain

1174
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:11,080
extent but there will be a lot of common

1175
01:02:20,610 --> 01:02:17,950
threads there thank you in court asks do

1176
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:20,620
does Tim see any really relationships

1177
01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:22,540
between the different mysteries of

1178
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:25,180
rennes-le-chateau and San Diago de

1179
01:02:32,359 --> 01:02:28,690
santiago de compostela in his Rozlyn

1180
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:32,369
also involved with the same philosophy

1181
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:36,250
uh-huh hmm have you got a week and I'll

1182
01:02:44,670 --> 01:02:40,920
tell you mm-hmm the mr. Roemer chateau

1183
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:44,680
frankly most of it is hokum the only

1184
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:47,380
mystery is where did Sonia get his money

1185
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:50,290
from and the answer to that is nobody

1186
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:54,490
bloody nose I spend speculation and it

1187
01:02:58,290 --> 01:02:56,260
will continue and I hope that that

1188
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:58,300
mystery is never actually solved because

1189
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:00,359
I want people to keep coming down here

1190
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:03,160
it's got absolutely nothing whatsoever

1191
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:08,400
to do with Santiago of Compostela

1192
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:15,940
Santiago de Compostela has a dual

1193
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:18,670
purpose first of all it's one of the

1194
01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:21,160
oldest Christian pilgrimage sites in

1195
01:03:26,099 --> 01:03:24,280
Europe and secondly it ties into the

1196
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:26,109
Knights Templar and free Masonic

1197
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:29,680
tradition because after the suppression

1198
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:32,980
of the Knights Templar in 1314 and prior

1199
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:36,880
to the rise of Freemasonry it was one of

1200
01:03:41,789 --> 01:03:39,369
the staging posts on what was known as

1201
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:41,799
the alchemists pilgrimage or the

1202
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:44,770
pilgrimage of initiation and people

1203
01:03:50,609 --> 01:03:47,650
started off by preparing and a town

1204
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:50,619
called sintra in portable and they would

1205
01:03:56,730 --> 01:03:53,140
be initiated into the first degree of

1206
01:04:00,450 --> 01:03:56,740
initiation in the crypt of Santiago de

1207
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:00,460
Compostela at a later stage they would

1208
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:02,950
be at the second degree and a church

1209
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:05,049
called not redundant model barred in

1210
01:04:10,890 --> 01:04:08,230
Toulouse and later on the 3rd degree of

1211
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:10,900
awliya the fourth inch at the fifth

1212
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:14,230
month of Dom de Partie the sixth or

1213
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:16,809
Danya and ultimately the seventh degree

1214
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:20,380
the king of the Grail at Rosslyn but

1215
01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:22,750
that pilgrimage only lasted for about

1216
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:25,270
two hundred years and it was done very

1217
01:04:30,299 --> 01:04:27,780
quietly and it was done in reverse order

1218
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:30,309
from the normal pilgrimage to Santiago

1219
01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:34,390
de Compostela I wrote a book about that

1220
01:04:37,650 --> 01:04:35,230
called

1221
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:37,660
Rosslyn guardian of the secrets of the

1222
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:38,370
Holy Grail

1223
01:04:43,580 --> 01:04:40,680
which I'm told is still well worth

1224
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:43,590
reading I'm sure it is

1225
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:47,690
now someone is that has a question and

1226
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:50,640
it was it was a while back so forgive me

1227
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,680
for not giving your name I don't

1228
01:04:58,850 --> 01:04:54,960
remember who posed the question but they

1229
01:05:02,660 --> 01:04:58,860
asked if there could possibly be an

1230
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:02,670
extraterrestrial connection to all these

1231
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:05,220
things for instance Jesus ascending into

1232
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:08,880
heaven Mohammed you know flying from

1233
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:12,210
Medina to Mecca or vice-versa whichever

1234
01:05:18,350 --> 01:05:15,110
when it was I'm sorry I don't remember

1235
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:18,360
well my alarm bells go off when I hear

1236
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:21,090
what any one of the two eight words one

1237
01:05:28,690 --> 01:05:23,010
is aliens from outer space and the other

1238
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:28,700
is Atlantis now of the two possibilities

1239
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:33,290
aliens is more porous important and

1240
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:37,500
there is no proof yet of any contact

1241
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:39,660
with anybody from other planets that

1242
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:42,930
doesn't mean to say it's not possible or

1243
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:45,270
that it isn't true is just that we have

1244
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:46,980
no proof and I can only talk about

1245
01:05:52,550 --> 01:05:49,650
things which I can see touch and feel

1246
01:05:55,550 --> 01:05:52,560
and prove so I'm afraid you'll have to

1247
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:55,560
include me out on that one okay all

1248
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,330
right well thank you

1249
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:00,000
what a neutron another question from

1250
01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:01,950
Neutron what was the relationship

1251
01:06:07,610 --> 01:06:05,390
between the Templars Freemasons the

1252
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:07,620
Templars and Freemasons with the

1253
01:06:20,090 --> 01:06:14,130
Rosicrucians first of all they all

1254
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:20,100
followed spiritual paths and according

1255
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:24,030
to one modern Sufi writer spirituality

1256
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:26,130
is a river that descended to earth

1257
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:29,400
through Adam may God grant him peace it

1258
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:31,650
was refreshed by the great prophets such

1259
01:06:37,850 --> 01:06:35,130
as Abraham Moses Elijah and Jesus may

1260
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,860
God grant empty's but the great prophet

1261
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:40,020
muhammad may his name be blessed may God

1262
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:43,230
grant him peace it is a river that knows

1263
01:06:49,020 --> 01:06:46,470
no boundaries in space or culture or

1264
01:06:51,970 --> 01:06:49,030
time and yeah

1265
01:06:54,550 --> 01:06:51,980
each race each creed each contract

1266
01:06:57,550 --> 01:06:54,560
claims it for its own my brethren it is

1267
01:07:02,800 --> 01:06:57,560
always the same river that's the key

1268
01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:02,810
thing it is always the same the Knights

1269
01:07:13,570 --> 01:07:11,650
the Templars were suppressed in 1314 and

1270
01:07:15,820 --> 01:07:13,580
that was the end of them and anybody who

1271
01:07:19,180 --> 01:07:15,830
tells you that they continued its

1272
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,190
talking nonsense there is no direct

1273
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:21,200
continuity between the medieval Knights

1274
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:24,890
Templar in any modern organisation the

1275
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:27,260
teaching continued within the families

1276
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:30,200
and was transmitted to a very large

1277
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:34,130
extent into Freemasonry in with in

1278
01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:38,030
Freemasonry people are taught by ritual

1279
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:41,060
and early brain and they're taught to

1280
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:44,630
listen so they can listen to learn and

1281
01:07:50,820 --> 01:07:47,330
once they start learning they develop

1282
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:50,830
thank God an insatiable curiosity about

1283
01:07:56,590 --> 01:07:54,470
spiritual values and as a part of that

1284
01:08:00,460 --> 01:07:56,600
many of them end up studying

1285
01:08:05,410 --> 01:08:00,470
Rosicrucianism and other paths Kabbalah

1286
01:08:07,710 --> 01:08:05,420
for example they're all interlinked and

1287
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:07,720
they all reinforce each other

1288
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:09,890
fundamentally there's no real difference

1289
01:08:21,070 --> 01:08:17,540
and at the risk of being incendiary sky

1290
01:08:26,250 --> 01:08:21,080
asked does mr. Murphy think there will

1291
01:08:31,930 --> 01:08:28,890
ultimately I'm an optimist

1292
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:31,940
it won't happen in my lifetime that's

1293
01:08:36,610 --> 01:08:32,690
for sure

1294
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:36,620
but I am 85 it may happen in his and I

1295
01:08:42,610 --> 01:08:40,880
don't know but there has to be peace we

1296
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:42,620
are not put on this earth to destroy

1297
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:50,000
each other and ultimately in the Middle

1298
01:08:58,300 --> 01:08:54,080
East the main Nexus of problem is Israel

1299
01:09:01,120 --> 01:08:58,310
of course and the Palestinians there is

1300
01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:01,130
room for both people on that there

1301
01:09:06,670 --> 01:09:03,350
and they will ultimately have to learn

1302
01:09:08,710 --> 01:09:06,680
to live in Brotherhood well as long as

1303
01:09:11,470 --> 01:09:08,720
they are preaching hatred night as a

1304
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:11,480
jewel I hate to say this but most of the

1305
01:09:19,270 --> 01:09:14,200
hatred has been preached by the Israelis

1306
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:19,280
and it's based on racialism as long as

1307
01:09:25,270 --> 01:09:21,530
that goes on it's going to take a hell

1308
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:25,280
of a long time to solve one of the

1309
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:28,880
obscene things about that situation is

1310
01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:32,210
the fact that if you were Israel claims

1311
01:09:38,349 --> 01:09:36,440
to be a democratic state but if you try

1312
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:38,359
and judge it by the same standards as

1313
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:40,190
any other democratic state you're

1314
01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:44,210
accused of being anti-semitic and then

1315
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:47,960
they finally play the Holocaust card now

1316
01:09:54,430 --> 01:09:52,400
I think that the most obscene insult to

1317
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:54,440
the memory of the millions of people who

1318
01:10:01,060 --> 01:09:56,540
are so brutally exterminated during the

1319
01:10:03,730 --> 01:10:01,070
world war is to use their suffering as

1320
01:10:06,190 --> 01:10:03,740
an excuse to impose the same sort of

1321
01:10:09,490 --> 01:10:06,200
suffering or other people that is an

1322
01:10:14,530 --> 01:10:09,500
obscenity ultimately there must be peace

1323
01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:14,540
I think it will take about 30 years and

1324
01:10:20,890 --> 01:10:16,700
it will only come about when there is

1325
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:20,900
one unified country wherein all citizens

1326
01:10:26,710 --> 01:10:23,450
have the same rights and obligations be

1327
01:10:28,150 --> 01:10:26,720
their arrows be their Jewish so you

1328
01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:28,160
don't believe that the separate

1329
01:10:35,050 --> 01:10:31,880
Palestinian state is the answer I would

1330
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:35,060
love to but I'm afraid the actions of

1331
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:37,490
successive Israeli governments have made

1332
01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:45,820
well now let's just move on to another

1333
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:49,940
question court says are you aware of the

1334
01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:53,090
bloodline coming to America well I would

1335
01:10:58,440 --> 01:10:55,670
imagine it seeped over here but do you

1336
01:11:03,010 --> 01:10:58,450
think that there was a purposeful

1337
01:11:06,490 --> 01:11:03,020
migration of these families no it

1338
01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:06,500
happened there are legitimate people

1339
01:11:12,130 --> 01:11:08,270
from the bloodline in the American

1340
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:12,140
America would I be quite blunt

1341
01:11:16,090 --> 01:11:13,730
I think the blood liners

1342
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:16,100
lost its importance I think that with

1343
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:18,290
the foundation of the worldwide craft of

1344
01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:21,350
Freemasonry it had achieved its

1345
01:11:29,860 --> 01:11:27,020
effective and if I was looking for a

1346
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:29,870
force a vibrant force for good in this

1347
01:11:35,470 --> 01:11:32,210
world I would look at the various

1348
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:35,480
aspects of Freemasonry which is a

1349
01:11:43,050 --> 01:11:39,440
worldwide Brotherhood which preaches

1350
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:43,060
tolerance of all the religions and

1351
01:11:51,610 --> 01:11:46,489
practices spiritual principles therein

1352
01:11:54,850 --> 01:11:51,620
lies the hope it's a powerful good but I

1353
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:54,860
don't think I read it repent suppose

1354
01:12:03,190 --> 01:11:59,120
have any relative importance today at

1355
01:12:06,130 --> 01:12:03,200
all I think you know I know Kourt and

1356
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:06,140
he's a researcher into these areas and I

1357
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:08,810
think he was asking in terms of some of

1358
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:11,510
his research of these families that have

1359
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:13,630
connections to these other families that

1360
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:17,210
have done things like built certain

1361
01:12:23,140 --> 01:12:19,790
structures in America that line up with

1362
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:23,150
with other things and so he's finding

1363
01:12:29,260 --> 01:12:27,020
that in some of these sites all the same

1364
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,270
family names just keep coming up over

1365
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:31,520
and over again who had something to do

1366
01:12:35,229 --> 01:12:33,170
with the construction of these in fact

1367
01:12:37,540 --> 01:12:35,239
Court is actually going to be on my show

1368
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:37,550
next week it's Court Lindell and he's

1369
01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:40,520
gonna be on beyond with the with actress

1370
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:43,220
Laura Lombardi who's also a researcher

1371
01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:48,290
and Lara has discovered what she and

1372
01:12:53,860 --> 01:12:51,320
court feel are a twin to the great cross

1373
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:53,870
it on day that's about 15 minutes away

1374
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,570
from that same location and so we're

1375
01:12:59,680 --> 01:12:57,920
gonna be talking about that next week

1376
01:13:02,290 --> 01:12:59,690
but that's why he's asking not

1377
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:02,300
necessarily for you know this special

1378
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:04,760
bloodline people but he's tracing back

1379
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:06,590
these families and trying to find out

1380
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,380
why these certain there's a lot of

1381
01:13:14,530 --> 01:13:11,360
octagonal towers things like that are

1382
01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:14,540
put in these locations by these same

1383
01:13:22,209 --> 01:13:17,480
families over and over that's that's not

1384
01:13:24,130 --> 01:13:22,219
surprising today I had read the true

1385
01:13:27,230 --> 01:13:24,140
principle it doesn't matter much but

1386
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:27,240
over the centuries there are

1387
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:29,640
our three groups of families most of

1388
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:32,340
them are connected loosely or directly

1389
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:34,950
to the Rex dance families who have left

1390
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:39,510
us physical reminders architectural

1391
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:42,420
triggers to make us think and to focus

1392
01:13:48,230 --> 01:13:45,780
us on to spiritual themes that it does

1393
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:48,240
not surprise me and that is a worldwide

1394
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:50,910
phenomena because it's not just out of

1395
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:53,400
the judeo-christian culture that this

1396
01:14:02,600 --> 01:13:55,590
sort of thing happens it happens in

1397
01:14:06,020 --> 01:14:02,610
other cultures too yeah and I think I

1398
01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:06,030
had one more question for Kourt

1399
01:14:11,470 --> 01:14:09,030
and it's kind of backtracking a little

1400
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:11,480
bit how important is the legend and

1401
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:15,930
imagery of Samara delamare how does this

1402
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:19,140
all figure into the to your theories if

1403
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:20,330
at all

1404
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:23,610
Sun greater than that I tend to look at

1405
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:25,910
as a separate issue it said it's vaguely

1406
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,130
interlinked first of all the Sun way

1407
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:31,920
that I'm Arab tradition did not seem to

1408
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:34,830
arise until about the ninth or 10th

1409
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:39,330
century then it took hold in a very very

1410
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:39,930
big way

1411
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:44,490
in fact the road up still Sanborn the

1412
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:46,380
Bosphorus and born is known as the

1413
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:48,930
chemin de WA the pathway of the Kings

1414
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:51,870
because the kings of France used to make

1415
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:56,460
us both homage there but the tradition

1416
01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:00,000
of the Mary's landing at sacre de la Mer

1417
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:02,460
which is celebrated twice a year by the

1418
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:05,550
European Gypsy community is one of the

1419
01:15:12,980 --> 01:15:09,960
most colorful and intriguing places on

1420
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:12,990
God's earth the whole place comes alive

1421
01:15:19,820 --> 01:15:17,190
with different cultures anybody who's

1422
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:19,830
been there and has experienced the

1423
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:22,440
further and the devotion of the Gypsy

1424
01:15:29,930 --> 01:15:25,350
people particularly the ladies will be

1425
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:29,940
impressed by it but you can't trace the

1426
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:31,980
tradition back that far then that's the

1427
01:15:38,150 --> 01:15:35,250
puzzling thing how did this arise what

1428
01:15:40,299 --> 01:15:38,160
does the tradition means the Gypsy

1429
01:15:43,899 --> 01:15:40,309
people they're not telling us they

1430
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:43,909
very required about that I have close

1431
01:15:49,779 --> 01:15:46,520
friends amongst them and they just will

1432
01:15:53,529 --> 01:15:49,789
not talk it's their deal and they're

1433
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:53,539
keeping it to themselves is it true not

1434
01:16:00,520 --> 01:15:56,210
as it based on truth or not I would like

1435
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:00,530
to think it is but I'm not sure yeah I

1436
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:03,289
don't remember asking a priest it's in

1437
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:06,980
gone I said have you any actual proof

1438
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:09,679
that the mainland was ever here and he

1439
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:12,110
said no sir we haven't but I can tell

1440
01:16:20,410 --> 01:16:17,510
you something she's here now there's a

1441
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:20,420
tangible presence there but does that

1442
01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:23,510
come from truth of physical being

1443
01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:25,670
physically being there or is it just a

1444
01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:27,980
reflection of the thousand years of

1445
01:16:32,799 --> 01:16:30,679
veneration I don't know

1446
01:16:34,750 --> 01:16:32,809
and then the Margaret starboard claimed

1447
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:34,760
a few years ago that she found a

1448
01:16:41,770 --> 01:16:37,820
tapestry dated to the third century

1449
01:16:46,209 --> 01:16:41,780
which tended to confirm the story in

1450
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:46,219
Central America sent me illustrate was

1451
01:16:51,580 --> 01:16:47,960
that the Jeremy Pines

1452
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:51,590
I promise tree I honestly don't know but

1453
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:54,050
she sent me illustrations of it and her

1454
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:57,770
explanation of those the symbolism and

1455
01:17:02,140 --> 01:16:58,400
I'm sorry

1456
01:17:06,339 --> 01:17:02,150
I could not see it at all like there was

1457
01:17:10,419 --> 01:17:06,349
wishful thinking I don't notice the

1458
01:17:12,879 --> 01:17:10,429
short answer unfastening it's and then

1459
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:12,889
of course if you don't know then you

1460
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,590
don't know whether that is really her

1461
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:18,320
skull that they have in in and encase it

1462
01:17:24,430 --> 01:17:22,070
in the gold look reliquary and paraded

1463
01:17:27,939 --> 01:17:24,440
ourselves that I'll be awfully careful

1464
01:17:33,339 --> 01:17:27,949
about relics my mother yes oh absolutely

1465
01:17:35,799 --> 01:17:33,349
rice to Flint the bloody Titanic pieces

1466
01:17:39,419 --> 01:17:35,809
of the true cross to reinforce the

1467
01:17:41,169 --> 01:17:39,429
Cedars of Lebanon it was an industry

1468
01:17:43,569 --> 01:17:41,179
manufacturing them there are at least

1469
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:43,579
two claimants to have the head of John

1470
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:46,250
the Baptist and there are four skins of

1471
01:17:54,069 --> 01:17:53,300
Jesus scattered all over Europe relics

1472
01:17:57,339 --> 01:17:54,079
were a money

1473
01:18:00,009 --> 01:17:57,349
ranking for the judge

1474
01:18:02,949 --> 01:18:00,019
you know Chartres Cathedral got burnt

1475
01:18:06,369 --> 01:18:02,959
down in the late 1100 and they thought

1476
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:06,379
they'd lost the Virgin's tunic that she

1477
01:18:12,459 --> 01:18:08,800
was wearing when she gave birth to Jesus

1478
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:12,469
and then three days after the fire two

1479
01:18:17,919 --> 01:18:15,050
monks were seen covered in soot coming

1480
01:18:23,229 --> 01:18:17,929
out of a part of the crypt bearing the

1481
01:18:25,209 --> 01:18:23,239
relic ray oh my god I mean yeah let's

1482
01:18:26,819 --> 01:18:25,219
talk about something real jelly yeah

1483
01:18:30,879 --> 01:18:26,829
absolutely

1484
01:18:33,009 --> 01:18:30,889
well thanks so much for indulging us and

1485
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:33,019
answering our questions

1486
01:18:38,679 --> 01:18:36,409
everyone is so so jazzed up about your

1487
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:38,689
appearance here getting all kinds of

1488
01:18:46,389 --> 01:18:41,689
compliments in the chat room they they

1489
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:46,399
love listening to you as I do and it's

1490
01:18:52,509 --> 01:18:48,169
always been that way you're just such a

1491
01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:52,519
wonderful speaker now let's see person

1492
01:18:59,859 --> 01:18:54,760
oh I had one last question from Neutron

1493
01:19:02,679 --> 01:18:59,869
asking which of the two groups the

1494
01:19:06,639 --> 01:19:02,689
Freemasons or the Templars did the

1495
01:19:10,779 --> 01:19:06,649
Jesuits involve themselves with very

1496
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:10,789
hard to know the Jesuits to a certain

1497
01:19:17,379 --> 01:19:13,369
degree modeled themselves on Templar

1498
01:19:21,459 --> 01:19:17,389
tradition there is no discernible link

1499
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:21,469
between the Jesuits and either the

1500
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:24,249
Knights Templar or the lesser Freemasons

1501
01:19:32,529 --> 01:19:28,729
however having said that when the

1502
01:19:34,540 --> 01:19:32,539
Inquisition went to Malta to try and

1503
01:19:36,699 --> 01:19:34,550
root out Freemasonry the Knights of

1504
01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:36,709
Malta chased them away at some speed

1505
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:38,689
because the Knights of Malta was very

1506
01:19:43,959 --> 01:19:41,089
heavily involved with Freemasonry and

1507
01:19:47,979 --> 01:19:43,969
who is to say that certain leading

1508
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,989
Jesuits may not have been it was

1509
01:19:52,419 --> 01:19:50,239
theoretically a capital offense in the

1510
01:19:55,589 --> 01:19:52,429
magical States to be a freemason you

1511
01:20:00,549 --> 01:19:55,599
could be executed merely for membership

1512
01:20:01,839 --> 01:20:00,559
so the whole thing is confused just

1513
01:20:05,490 --> 01:20:01,849
because something that's forbidden

1514
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:05,500
doesn't mean to say it doesn't

1515
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:09,210
but proof that's a different program

1516
01:20:13,530 --> 01:20:11,530
indeed

1517
01:20:16,169 --> 01:20:13,540
now before we run out of time we've only

1518
01:20:17,879 --> 01:20:16,179
got about 6 minutes left it looks like I

1519
01:20:19,950 --> 01:20:17,889
want to make sure that everyone knows

1520
01:20:22,740 --> 01:20:19,960
how they can get your books I want to

1521
01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:22,750
make sure they know that your name is

1522
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:29,230
Tim Wallace wal la C e - Murphy and he

1523
01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:32,800
does have a lot of interesting books out

1524
01:20:37,649 --> 01:20:34,780
there one of my favorites I know is

1525
01:20:41,339 --> 01:20:37,659
hidden wisdom I don't know if that's one

1526
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:41,349
of your favorites Tim or not but it was

1527
01:20:46,109 --> 01:20:43,840
fun to write because that's a living

1528
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:46,119
caption that's a little bit of all the

1529
01:20:51,899 --> 01:20:48,610
different traditions and one book and it

1530
01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:51,909
gives you an overview some of your books

1531
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:55,030
are a little bit hard to come by you can

1532
01:21:01,080 --> 01:20:58,570
get them off Amazon can you Rex dais and

1533
01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:01,090
I'll Rex terraces aren't French in

1534
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:02,980
English you can get it in French you can

1535
01:21:06,780 --> 01:21:05,110
get it in Italian I think you can still

1536
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:06,790
get it in Spanish

1537
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:09,010
but the English publisher went bankrupt

1538
01:21:14,490 --> 01:21:12,880
some years ago and because the three of

1539
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:14,500
us were involved in it we could never

1540
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:16,090
reach full agreement about the

1541
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:19,570
publication which is wrong but it is

1542
01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:22,630
available secondhand by various sellers

1543
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:26,020
using the Amazon site yeah I would

1544
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:28,570
definitely recommend a seeded by a Mesa

1545
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:34,230
book called custodians of truth yes and

1546
01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:38,170
if someone was starting out in in this

1547
01:21:44,669 --> 01:21:41,400
whole area I know a lot of our listeners

1548
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:44,679
are seekers of truth and researchers

1549
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:47,560
themselves but if you're just someone

1550
01:21:52,890 --> 01:21:49,800
who's just starting out on this path

1551
01:21:57,930 --> 01:21:52,900
what would you suggest the first book of

1552
01:22:00,839 --> 01:21:57,940
yours that they should read I would

1553
01:22:05,010 --> 01:22:00,849
suggest are the custodians of truth all

1554
01:22:07,589 --> 01:22:05,020
hidden wisdoms but it's not important

1555
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:07,599
that they necessarily read my work or

1556
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:10,900
any other particular individuals what is

1557
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:13,150
important is that they develop

1558
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:14,570
discernment

1559
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:20,810
a [\h__\h] detector because don't think

1560
01:22:28,209 --> 01:22:25,520
that all modern books are necessarily

1561
01:22:34,839 --> 01:22:28,219
true or well-intentioned

1562
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:34,849
some are just written for this learn to

1563
01:22:42,609 --> 01:22:39,520
resonate with your inner beings your

1564
01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:42,619
soul will vibrate in a different way

1565
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:47,300
when it descends truth and truth is an

1566
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:50,300
elusive commodity it changes over time

1567
01:22:54,780 --> 01:22:52,030
there's no such thing as an absolute

1568
01:22:58,089 --> 01:22:54,790
independent truth it's always subjective

1569
01:23:00,040 --> 01:22:58,099
and what you feel to be true today I

1570
01:23:02,589 --> 01:23:00,050
which will lead you in the right

1571
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:02,599
direction in 10 years time you may

1572
01:23:06,430 --> 01:23:05,570
reject it it's done its purpose it's got

1573
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,440
you going

1574
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:09,440
the trick is to be curious to question

1575
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:12,409
when you read something say who benefits

1576
01:23:17,890 --> 01:23:15,679
from this what's it all about why why

1577
01:23:24,010 --> 01:23:17,900
was it described in this way I'm not in

1578
01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:24,020
there question everything never believe

1579
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:27,790
a word I write or anybody else does

1580
01:23:33,129 --> 01:23:30,290
double-check it go back to the sources

1581
01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:33,139
if the writer is trying to be honest

1582
01:23:39,310 --> 01:23:36,260
they will footnote that statements and

1583
01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:39,320
tell you where the stuff comes from go

1584
01:23:48,209 --> 01:23:45,190
back and double-check see for yourself

1585
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,219
don't take anybody's word for anything

1586
01:23:51,609 --> 01:23:51,199
just use it as a starting point it's a

1587
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:51,619
trigger

1588
01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:54,409
I'm not there to educate anybody or to

1589
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:56,780
inform them I certainly not there to

1590
01:24:01,660 --> 01:23:58,730
convert them from one flawed belief

1591
01:24:06,609 --> 01:24:01,670
system to another my job is to make you

1592
01:24:11,229 --> 01:24:06,619
buggers think not accept blindly a

1593
01:24:15,879 --> 01:24:11,239
church dogma or political Dogma but make

1594
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:15,889
your own mind up go for it well we

1595
01:24:19,689 --> 01:24:17,810
appreciate it to him thank you so much

1596
01:24:22,379 --> 01:24:19,699
think thanks for all your work and I do

1597
01:24:24,970 --> 01:24:22,389
recommend that you read Tim's books

1598
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:24,980
because I have in

1599
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:28,310
I they're not only enlightening and

1600
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:30,890
educational but entertaining it's it's

1601
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:33,530
all such great information I mean I love

1602
01:24:40,990 --> 01:24:36,860
this material but you do such a good job

1603
01:24:42,940 --> 01:24:41,000
and I love when you come on the show or

1604
01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:42,950
when we have a chance to talk or see

1605
01:24:47,380 --> 01:24:44,720
each other in France and you speak to

1606
01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:47,390
our groups and everyone always comes

1607
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:49,910
away with something of benefit so we

1608
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:53,840
really appreciate that well and just

1609
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,130
keep going yes just keep on keeping on

1610
01:25:03,490 --> 01:25:00,800
and that's what we'll try to do and I

1611
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:03,500
guess you know it's like you you said

1612
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:05,930
something earlier about you know these

1613
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:07,370
different beliefs it really doesn't

1614
01:25:13,540 --> 01:25:09,890
matter you know as long as you're doing

1615
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:13,550
it and I remember Henry always said

1616
01:25:16,690 --> 01:25:16,010
Henry Lincoln always said years and

1617
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:16,700
years ago

1618
01:25:21,820 --> 01:25:20,090
one door is all that's needed and when

1619
01:25:24,820 --> 01:25:21,830
he said it I didn't really know what

1620
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:24,830
that meant but I think I figured it out

1621
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:27,530
now doesn't matter what your starting

1622
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:29,930
point is the destination is always the

1623
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:32,870
same that's right and with that the

1624
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:35,450
music is rolling and we're all at a time

1625
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:37,010
but I want to thank you once again

1626
01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:40,010
especially for getting up and doing the

1627
01:25:46,330 --> 01:25:43,430
show at 4:30 a.m. I appreciate it love

1628
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:46,340
to Cindy and we'll hopefully see you

1629
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:47,570
soon yeah

1630
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:50,450
and everyone join us next week we have

1631
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,450
port Lindell and lara Lamberty we're

1632
01:25:58,630 --> 01:25:55,040
gonna be talking about the great cross